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- Subject: Re: Will anyone buy NT?? (Yes - Intelligent People)
- Date: Sun, 07 Apr 1996 00:16:45 GMT
- Organization: DFW Multimedia
- Message-ID: <310d613a.591926@204.214.8.2>
- References: <4ef48q$rik@news.iag.net> <4egn0k$3d1g@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> <4eh3mr$p0b@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>
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- jmrubin@ix.netcom.com (Joel Rubin) wrote:
-
- >In article <4egn0k$3d1g@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, regards@ibm.net says...
- >>
- >>
- >>>
- >>> steve.withers@ibm.net (Steve Withers) writes:
- >>> > In article <4e8b8k$5ql@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, Stauf wrote:
- >>> > >
- >>> > .......
- >>> >
- >>> > >This whole thing is stupid!!! Win95 is not a "stepping Stone to
- >NT"!!!
- >>> > >It is WAY PAST it!!! I don't see how anyone that is not on a
- >network
- >>> > >can buy NT... That is really stupid!!! Win NT was optimizes for
- >>> > >Networks ONLY!!! NOT FOR ANY PCs NOT ON A NETWORK!!!
- >>> > >Almost no software runs on NT since it uses 32-bit code. Win 95
- >is
- >>> > >very compatible with all programs since it is a 32-bit OS with
- >16-bit
- >>> > >Code!! For any PC not on a network there is no competition
- >between NT
- >>> > >and 95!!! Windows 95 is the obvious choice...
- >>> >
- >>
- >>
- >>Actually, NT will run DOS and 16-bit Windows apps as well as its own
- >native software.
- >>It will also multi-task its win16 session *UNLIKE* Win95. Its memory
- >protection
- >>is also far superiour to Win95 (every wonder why its mem reqs are so
- >high?)
- >>
- >>How come Win95 can't multitask Win16 apps when NT and OS/2 can? Which
- >OS' did you
- >>say was inferiour?
- >>
- >>
- >>> ***>>>>>Yea right? That is why even the OS/2 programmers are
- >conceding that Win 95 is about
- >>to put them out of business.
- >>
- >>Who are "the OS/2 progammers" you are referring to?
- >>
- >>
- >>-----------REGARDS!------------------------------------------
- >>REGARDS@ibm.net -- Reginald T. Mathusz
- >>Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom. -- T. Jefferson
- >>
- >OS/2 and Win95 share one big problem which NT doesn't. While each app
- >(or at least each 32-bit app in Win95) has its own address space, there
- >is critical O/S data and code in Win95 and OS/2 which are visible in the
- >address space of each app. Thus, an ill-behaved app can, in OS/2 or 95,
- >overwrite operating system junk and bring down the house. This doesn't
- >happen in NT, but avoiding it causes a performance hit. For an example
- >of an OS/2 program which will do this, get KILLOS2.EXE on Compu$erve GO
- >CANOPUS. For an example of a Win95 program which does this, browse the
- >O'Reilly/Andrew Schulman web page at http://www.ora.com/windows.
- >(Another big NT performance hit is caused by code in "C"/C++ for
- >portability instead of assembly.)
-
- you sir are grosely misinformed. NT does not use separate address
- spaces unless you specificaly tell it to. Which in turn causes that
- SAME vulnerability you are blaming on OS/2 and 95. this happen to ANY
- windows emulator that shares the mem space for the system files. OS/2
- sets the memory spaces separate automaticaly if you set ANY settings
- from default.
-
- as for this killos2.exe file your talking about I have several
- that will take out NT in a heartbeat. strangely enaough they are all
- called stopnt.exe and ntkiller.com. All these "kill" programs
- exploit system bugs to acomplish this feat of magic. wierd huh?
-
- whats bad about 95 though is that it doesn't even give you the option
- of running separate 16 bit sessions.(nor is it truly pre-emptive, but
- were not discussing that.)
-
- If you want the truth about all the different os that are out
- there, take a grain of salt with every claim ANY os programmer makes.
- And most importantly, get the truth.
-
-
- >
- >I think NT will probably succeed eventually because its main problem,
- >its performance hit, is getting less, and the average machine is getting
- >more powerful. When they start selling Packard Bell 200 MHz P6's at
- >Circuit City with 32 MB for $1500, no one will care how slow NT is.
- >
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